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 From the Crawford newspaper, the Iconoclast's, reporters blogging from the scene. At 4:55 p.m., sheriff had arrived and told everyone who'd parked a car or camper that they had to move their vehicles within 15 minutes, or he'd start arresting people and towing cars.
  Update [2005-8-8 19:47:44 by teresahill]: 5:14 p.m. Okay, they just ran them off the triangular piece of land where the tents and vehicles were. Apparently it was private property. Dirty work by local deputy, County Commissioner. Threatened to charge them with trespassing. They can park/camp on the roadside or in the ditch. (Looks like we'll have a battle of intimidation.) Sheriff left for the moment. Update [2005-8-8 19:47:44 by teresahill]: 6:30 p.m. From comments, Paypal account being activated to accept donations to help Cindy. Will post here as soon as account info. available. Update [2005-8-8 21:27:46 by teresahill]: 8:17 No news. Google News Story Count: 647 Update [2005-8-8 23:37:12 by teresahill]: Iconoclast blog site has added two photos of the deputy and county commissioner explaining the easement crap.

Ideas for more media coverage: --If you decide to go to Crawford to join the protest, call your local paper or TV station first and tell them you're going and why. Give them your cell phone number so they can call and interview you after you get there about everything that happens. --Make sure you're in contact with someone who posts here, so everyone at DailyKos can stay updated on what's happening there and so you can call for help from us, if you need it. Internet access might be spotty. Get a cell phone number and give someone yours. --Write your local newspaper or call the TV station and just talk about Cindy, say you're wondering how local people feel about her protest. Say you're wondering how local families who've lost loved ones feel about her protest. (Okay... crass. Yeah, it is. But they may be wanting to talk about Cindy and what she's doing. I've been a reporter for years. I've called grieving loved ones. It sucks, but one of their big fears truly is that no one will remember their loved one. No one will know how special he or she truly was. They sometimes do want to talk about the person they've lost.)

Originally posted to on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 03:15 PM PDT.

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  •  We love you Cindy (none)
    And the whole world is watching.

    We need a Cindy-thread to keep this updated every hour, too.

    Chaos, fear, dread. My work here is done.

    by madhaus on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 03:15:19 PM PDT

    •  I love Cindy, but this is about George Bush! (4.00)
      People, Cindy is a true Hero.

      But this is about this filthy coward, George Bush who is refusing to meet the mother of a great and brave American patriot, Casey.

      This is about the continuing deceit and lies of Bushco.

      The focus should be on the cowardice of these thugs.

      •  I agree, (4.00)
        but a helluva lot of Dems could take some lessons in courage from Mrs Sheehan.
        •  Bush/Cindy (2.83)
          Bush can't help Cindy or anyone else...Cindy needs counselling to adjust to her tragic loss. ( I know...I, too, lost a son.  George Bush needs to be in jail.
          •  Those who rated this comment a "1"... (none)
            ...must have missed this part:

            I know...I, too, lost a son.

            I suppose we must infer that they're either illiterate, blind or stupid.

            •  you're wrong (none)
              neurotic blond seens to be implying that Cindy should be getting counceling instead of making the political stand she is making.

              Cindy is making a very brave stand in hope that OUR sons won't have to die in the senseless way her son died.  I don't think this action has ANYTHING to do with mental health needs.

              I suppose I could infer that YOU are illiterate, blind or stupid. Moron

              •  Even if your inference was right... (none)
                ...which it isn't...

       rated her a "1" for that?? Without so much as comment to explain yourself? Just a quick rate-n-scoot? Flick 'o the finger and I'm outta here? Ding-dong-ditch?

                Quite the "brave stand" yourself there, turbo.

          •  I don't think Cindy is asking for herself (none)
            She has always been clear that she is doing this so the no more mothers/families have to go through what she has gone through.
        •  How sad is it that she needs to be courageous? (none)
          Essentially, what we're saying is that our representative government threatens our freedoms, and it takes acts of courage to request legitimate answers...what year is this again?
  •  New update: (4.00)
    5:14 p.m., Monday, Aug. 8

    Deborah Mathews reporting:

    The name of the officer is Sgt. Kolinek and the County Commissioner is Ray Meadows.

    People were forced to not only move the vehicles, but also the tents off that triangular piece of ground, which is apparently owned by some woman. Law enforcement says that this action is based on "prescriptive easement."

    The campers were told they could still park beside the road where the signs are located, but nothing, not even a can, be on that triangular piece of land, otherwise it will be deemed trespassing.

    The police have just left.

    It's still dark and drizzly. It looks like any activities tonight will be scratched.

    That's all for now.

    Oh well, I wasn't using that civil liberty anyway.

    by think2004 on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 03:18:04 PM PDT

    •  go get 'em tigers (none)
      County Commissioner Precinct 4
      Ray Meadows
      215 N. 5th Suite 125
      Waco, TX 76701
      P.O. Box 648
      Waco, Texas 76703-0648
      Phone: (254) 757-5064
      Fax: (254) 757-5007

      I wont post the sherrifs contact info, because i wouldnt want a real emergency to be blocked due ot blogswarm, but go fuck with this commisioner by all means.

    •  Prescriptive easement? (4.00)
      Apparently Cindy Sheehan is not the only one there who needs a lawyer - seems that the commissioner and  the law enforcement folks do as well.  

      Prescriptive easements have zero relevance to the situation at hand, unless perhaps they believe that Cindy and the others will be there for something on the order of 10+ years and then attempt to lay claim to use the land as a matter of right. (I know Bush plans a dynasty, but that is a touch optimistic.)

      Been a lot of years since I had to look at this type of question so it may be a bit more nuanced than that, but that is the general gist of it.

      If it is private property, then the question of use lies with the owner of the property.  Where have you gone, Max Yasgur?

      Texas lawyers - thoughts?

      I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man ..Steve Mason, 1940-2005

      by Wayward Wind on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 04:20:49 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Prescriptive Easement (4.00)
        Hey guys, I'm posting for Barbara who is unable to post right now but asked me to add this for her regarding "prescriptive easements"

        PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT has to do with an easement of property that can be used generally by utilities or government agencies if needed.  HOWEVER, my understanding is that they cannot force anyone OFF without a Court proceeding and Order.

        •  If there already is a prescriptive easement, (none)
          shouldn't that mean that there's no trespass?

          (Maybe they're afraid that allowing people to stay for a long period of time would eventually create an easement, just as uncontested occupation for a long time can create adverse possession.  But, as somebody says above, I think that's a matter of years and years.)

      •  I thought it odd, too (none)
        I was hoping an attorney would chime in - thanks.

        According to my beginning Texas Real Estate textbook:

        When the claimant has made use of another's land for a certain period of time as defined by state law, an easement by prescription is acquired. This amounts to a limitation on the landowner's use of the property. In Texas, this prescriptive period is ten years. The claimant's use must have been continuous, exclusive, and without the owner's approval. Additionally, the use must be visible, open, and notorious, so that the owner could learn of it.

        Though the concept of tacking, a party not in possession of real property for the entire required statutory period may successfully establish a claim on an easement by prescription. Successive periods of continuous and unterrupted occupation by different parties may be tacked on, or combined, to reach the prescriptive period. To tack on one person's po9ssession to that of another, the parties must be successors in interest, such as an ancestor and his or her heir, a landlord and tenant, or a seller and buyer.

        I'm thinking Cindy won't be there for ten years. But maybe the owner of the real property can claim concerns that she would be, and a judge would agree to that? Dunno. I really wish Cindy had a lawyer with her.

        Oh well, I wasn't using that civil liberty anyway.

        by think2004 on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 04:48:49 PM PDT

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        •  She still has to stay off (none)
          Right or wrong, and it's pretty clear that he's just doing this to harass her, she has to do what he says if she wants to stay there.

          Otherwise, he'll arrest her. Even if she prevails legally, he'll have successfully broken up her protest, because she won't be camped there waiting for Bush to come out of his shell.

          It sucks, but there it is.

          Maybe someone high-powered could force the sheriff to stand down, especially if there was press there, and a camera rolling. But as it is, it seems like she has to comply just to avoid having her mission fail on a technicality.

        •  Send lawyers, guns and money... (none)
          ...well, not guns. But send money and lawyers. Texas already has way too many guns, so just send lawyers and money.

          A prescriptive easement is one that a person who is not on title acquires through open, notorious and hostile use. For example, if you own a beach home, and I pass by every day, along with my friends, walking between your house and the house next door, and then ten years later, you put up a gate, I could go into court and claim that I have a prescriptive -in-your-face easement to walk to the beach.

          They pulled this one out of their ass. It is meaningless. They should tell her whose property she is supposedly on, and/or who has the "easement". They can't do that. They have declared war. They like to do that.

          "What luck for rulers that men do not think." - Adolf Hitler

          by Bensdad on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 08:58:28 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

      •  The owner ran us off Saturday. (none)
        read my comment down thread

        The Christian Right is neither Witness Every Day

        by TXsharon on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 06:02:53 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

    •  The triangular piece of land belongs to a (4.00)
      Fucking Bitch who lives right across the road.  You can see her fancy gate and her great big house down the road from the gate.  They have plenty of money so, naturally, they are Bu$h lovers.

      She told us Saturday to get everything off her land immediately or she would call the police.  She said she didn't appreciate our signs!

      I don't appreciate her fucking, pretend cowboy, sorry ass, shit-for-brains neighbor.

      The Christian Right is neither Witness Every Day

      by TXsharon on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 05:59:34 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Okay, got it (none)
        I take it she doesn't own the ditch?

        Oh well, I wasn't using that civil liberty anyway.

        by think2004 on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 06:06:20 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  In Texas (none)
        the general rule is that abutting land owners own fee title to the center of the road.   And the entire road way is subject to the rights of the governing authority, perhaps an easement or usually a public road has been "dedicated" to the public.  And certainly along the road the fee is encumbered by utility easements.

        Does this woman own the land on both sides of the road?  If the road IS her property line, she only owns to the center on HER side.

        Q. Is this a public road or a private road?

        Also - if you have her street address you can get an aerial view on google maps -

        We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. -MLK

        by JLFinch on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 06:19:16 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  The road she lives on (none)
          is a county road or so said the sheriff.  The woman said that she purchased that piece of triangle extra and that she would be glad to show us the deed after she called the police.  She is extremely HATEFUL! And we were all very nice to her...said we were sorry and that we would certainly move our stuff right away.

          I live in TX and I own to the middle of the road.  From what she said this is a different situation.  Then again, she could be lying or exaggerating.  After all, she is a Bu$h lover.

          Her address is probably on her mailbox which is right next to the gate.

          The Christian Right is neither Witness Every Day

          by TXsharon on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 06:33:35 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Another thought (none)
            Is this a subdivision?  There can be rural subdivisions with huge lots.  If so, chances that there was a stray triangle for purchase are slim.  All of the property is divided into lots and blocks - and roads.  These would probably be private roads.

            We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. -MLK

            by JLFinch on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 07:30:54 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  Pretty sure it's not a subdivision (none)
              If so, the lots are REALLY big.  You can only see about 2 houses from where Cindy is.  The rest is pasture.

              Did you read my diary from Saturday?  The people with land adjacent to Bu$h's are terrified that he will claim them a national security threat and take their land under eminent domain.

              The Christian Right is neither Witness Every Day

              by TXsharon on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 08:07:09 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  If they did (none)
                still they would have to compensate them for it, right?

                Although I agree that most likely they'd try to get away with a joke of an amount for compensation.  Look what they did with the Texas baseball stadium deal.

                We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. -MLK

                by JLFinch on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 08:31:04 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

      •  can you get her name? (none)
        The names of those who have no sympathy for a Gold Star Mother need to blogged.
      •  Be safe all of you. (none)
        You are dealing with extremeists.

        However, attacking and arresting cindy or any of the others will result in very unwelcome coverage.

        as long as the media is watching, she has light upon herself,  

        Remove that light, and a bitch like Bush will do anything to stop the protest.

        Be careful.

        "same old fears, same old crimes-we haven't changed since ancient times.." "Iron Hand" Dire Straits

        by boilerman10 on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 08:08:50 PM PDT

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    •  They could talk to the woman... (none)
      and ask permission to camp there. If Cindy explains what's going on, the woman might give her permission.

      Chances are when asked, the response was, "Oh it's just a bunch of anti-war protesters." I doubt that Cindy's story was even brought up.

      "Computer. End holographic program...Computer? Computer?"

      by kredwyn on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 06:19:22 PM PDT

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  •  Tommorrow (none)
    Things should get interesting tommorrow as Kossaks and others arrive.  Hope they leave the dogs and fire hoses at home.
  •  See the Texas sheriff (none)
    is living up to his stereotype.  

    The beneficiaries are likely to be...large corporations and development firms. (O'Connor, J. dissenting in Kelo). God bless you, J. O'Connor.

    by xanthe on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 03:20:34 PM PDT

  •  The Iconoclast (4.00)
    I bet their servers are going to be slammed for a while. Wonder if we can help them out somewhere -- obviously they're a small paper and aren't they the ones who took some serious shit for endorsing Kerry?

    Blog this! Visit me at K Street Blues. It will change your life.

    by AggieDemocrat on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 03:23:54 PM PDT

    •  Yes and Yes (4.00)
      They are the very same paper that supported Kerry.
      Vandals in and around Crawford trashed all of their Newspaper stands.

      The good news is many people took out ads on their site and took up subscriptions.

      Their servers are getting hammered now.

      I can barely load their page.

      •  Support the Texas Iconoclast for $10 (none) :
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    •  Yes. When they endorsed Kerry, (4.00)
      I bought  three subscriptions for people I know who live in Texas.  You could do that or buy them for yourselves. They got tremendously hammered for that but people all over the country did the same thing I did.  They have guts. Support them.
    •  They have a three month subscription (4.00)
      ...of PDF files of their printed version available for just $10.  I'm buying.  It's on their front page.  Let's help them out.

      "How smooth must be the language of the whites, when they can make right look like wrong, and wrong like right." Black Hawk

      by Gabriele Droz on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 06:30:30 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Link (4.00)
    for The Iconoclast on Cindy.  News story here.  Cindy updates here.

    Very slow to load because of the high-profile story.  You can support them, if enough of us do, maybe they can buy more bandwidth.

    Chaos, fear, dread. My work here is done.

    by madhaus on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 03:27:31 PM PDT

  •  harrassment, IMO (none)
    Seems like they're trying to do everything possible to get everyone to leave, without arresting anyone...

    Need some lawyers down there.

    "Free speech is not to be regulated like diseased cattle and impure butter." William O. Douglas.

    by Street Kid on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 03:36:07 PM PDT

    •  Pattern of intimidation. (4.00)
      I said on other threads that the "conjecture" by a state rep, combined with the "warning" yesterday by the Secret Service yesterday that Cindy might be hit by a car, constitute a pattern of intimidation.  To those I would now add this.
  •  Now, can we get law enforcement (4.00)
    in this country to treat the anti-abortion trespassers who have been mercilessly harassing abortion clinics and trespassing on their private property for YEARS to take action???

    Sounds selective to me.

    HotFlashReport - Opinionated liberal views of the wrongs of the right

    by annrose on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 03:43:52 PM PDT

  •  A picture is worth a thousand words. (4.00)
    And while blogging what is happening is important, the video footage of a sherrif telling a woman who lost her son that she can't set up a tent in a field and needs to sit in a ditch would be much more powerful.

    Remember, the Abu Ghraib story didn't break wide until the photos were released.

  •  Shit, I hope they don't start arresting (4.00)
    until I get there, the earliest I can get there is Wednesday!
  •  Thunderstorms (4.00)
    My fantasy?

    The media gets there en masse just in time to videotape an F-5 tornado as it mows down the Crawford soundstage and sucks the entire Bush Administration into its maw.

    What are my chances?

    "The American people will trust the Democratic Party to defend America when they believe that Democrats will defend other Democrats." Wesley Clark

    by The Termite on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 04:21:15 PM PDT

  •  A suggestion for the ditch (4.00)
    Someone get a 4x8 sheet of plywood out there and lay it across the ditch then pitch the tent on the plywood.  It will keep Cindy safer from "critters" and give her a stable place to pitch the tent.

    Those roadside ditches aren't that wide and the plywood should give them a way over the ditch so rain water won't run right into the tent while sleeping.

    A couple pieces of plywood and Cindy can have a "deck" for chairs, too.

  •  So where are the CNN and Fucked News Channel (4.00)
    helicopters and anchors?

    They covered about seven or eight Jesus freaks trying to kidnap that poor Terry Schiavo, so why aren't they doing wall to wall coverage of Cindy?

    Where's fucking Greta?

  •  Typical Bush (4.00)
    At no time does Bush ever ask anyone above the lowest ranking person under his control to exercise any form of responsibility. (Hence all the low-ranking members of the military who have been punished for the widespread breakdown at Abu Ghraib.) Thus it is perfectly in keeping with everything he believes that he'd task the local police departments with the dirty work of arresting the grieving mother of a soldier, who wants nothing more than the opportunity to talk with the man who so cheerfully sent her son to war. Can't get HIS hands dirty, doncha know.

    Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work, and then they get elected and prove it.

    by David J on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 04:28:40 PM PDT

    •  That's it! (none)
      And the repubs yap about "personal responsibility".  Where the hell is his responisbility?

      "Free speech is not to be regulated like diseased cattle and impure butter." William O. Douglas.

      by Street Kid on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 04:33:54 PM PDT

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    •  which begs the question... (none)
      why not simply speak with her and avoid the impending circus?

      why not do the opposite? george?

      •  Have you (4.00)
        learned nothing the last 5 yrs ?

        He's holed up in his fake ranch, practicing his speech for whenever they arrest Mrs Sheehan.

        'Because we acted, the world is safer. We stand strong and resolute in the face of threats, whether they be from O'Saddam Been LaHussein, or a crazed mother of a troop. Y'see, I'm not going to wait to see if French President Jock Iraq, or the Russians and Red Chinese give me the go-ahead to act in this endless global War O'TerraTM. My mind is on the safety of America. I will not stand idle while the Terra®-ists try to take away my way of life down here on the ranch. This war president may be on vacation but the war still goes on. Thank you, and God Bless Texaco.'

        •  you forgot (4.00)
          "Later today I'll be heroically attacking the vile infestation of brush on the southeast corner of the ranch. Later this week I'll be going on a long bike ride, where I might be forced into battle with a mound of dirt or two. Rest assured I will not rest until we have controlled the brushofascist attacks on the integrity of this country."

          Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work, and then they get elected and prove it.

          by David J on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 04:47:19 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  you forgot (4.00)
            "And remember, it's better to fight them and bring them to justice out there in the fire-and infested ditch than it is to talk civilly in here in my air-conditioned living room.  Bring 'em on!"

            "In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." --Thomas Jefferson

            by frisco on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 05:00:09 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

        •  ROFL!!! (none)
          You people on this thread---not cut this out!  I have been laughing so hard I've got tears running down my face.
    •  Can you imagine the scene (4.00)
      in the Oval Office:
          "You do it"
           "No, you do it"
  •  Trespass in Texas requires notice from owner (4.00)
    a person commits an offese if he enters or remains on property or in a building of another without effective consent and he:
    1.  had notice that the entry was forbidden; or 2) received notice to depart but failed to do so.

    Notice for these purposes means oral or written communication by the owner or someone with apparent authority to act for the owner.

    In other words, ask the sheriff if the owner has complained to him. The sheriff cannot act on his own without authority by the owner or someone with apparent authority to act for the owner.

    Now this is assuming they did not cross a fence or enter a building, and there were no signs.

    Be a Carville, not a Colmes

    by seesdifferent on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 04:31:10 PM PDT

  •  This Was Up On Crawford PeaceHouse Site (4.00)
    A Short While Ago! Just got home from work and it wasn't there, revisited and this has been added at Top:

    Friends of Peace and Justice We are in the process of mobilizing support For Cindy Sheehan action in Crawford Texas

    Monetary donations are needed and can be sent to: Crawford Peace House P.O. Box 710218 Dallas, Tx. 75371-0218 Call john for bank wire info

    PayPal to be set up on web site soon

    e-mail can be sent to

    We are located In the center of Crawford, Texas on Hwy185and the railroad tracks 9142 5th Street Crawford, Tx. 76638-3037

    The Vigil is on Prairie Chapel road near the entrance to Bush's ranch
    The phone is being reactivated should be back Monday afternoon

    John's cell is 469 879 2227
    Hadi"s cell is 214 392 2939

    In the News
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    Every Mother's Son - Aug 8, 2005


    Please Pass This On, If Posted Already Oh Well, Dave's Diary is Way Too Long Now To Search Through!!!!
    James Starowicz

    VFP 'Declaration Of Impeachment'

    Sign On and Pass Link To Others

    VFP Impeachment Petition

    USN '67-'71 GMG3 Vietnam In-Country'70-'71 COMNAVFORV

  •  She doesn't need an army of protesters (4.00)
    She needs an army of attorneys.  Calling all attorneys!  Even the traffic ticket type.

    Most people are idiots... But don't tell them. It'll spoil all the fun for those of us who aren't.

    by d3n4l1 on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 04:43:11 PM PDT

  •  Another Gold star family speaks... (4.00)
    Dante Zappala lost his brother, Sherwood, in the Iraq war. "The legacy of Sherwood's service will only be honored when we demand truth in our politicians, demand that they too serve with honor and integrity. Demanding that, I think, is the best way that we honor a dead soldier."
  •  Oh, fu@k! (4.00)
    We just left Camp Casey this afternoon, where everything seemed to be running smoothly.  The Crawford police did drop by early this morning to let us know that we should move our chairs to the triangle and not block the street.  And believe me, that was for safety reasons.

    And then said let them know if they could help us with anything.

    On Sunday, having found the Peace House empty on our way into Crawford and not knowing where to find Cindy and Company, we stopped at the middle school to ask two friendly press people directions to the camp.  They happily told us and asked if we were taking in provisions.  (We were!)

    We had a great time last night helping to readying the camp for Cindy's GMA interview.  Working with Veterans for Peace, Gold Star Families for Peace and Code Pink was a gas.  I felt I had just met the many reasons that I still have hope for this country.

    It was raining this morning when we packed up our tent, gathered our belongs and loaded up the car.  Yes, there was many MiniVan invasions and lots of DPS racing up and down the street, and a local or two in pickups trying to get noticed.

    But the place certainly had a groove going up.  And I left there thinking what fucking fools those jackasses would be to try to shut Camp Casey down.

    Certainly they are not that stupid.

    Oh, my!

    -Two chicks from Austin

    •  so they told you... (none)
      The Crawford police did drop by early this morning to let us know that we should move our chairs to the triangle and not block the street.

      So the police told you to move to the triangle and then threatened arrest for being there?  Interesting...

      "In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." --Thomas Jefferson

      by frisco on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 05:13:48 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Or simply a matter of (none)
        one police officer having no idea what another police officer said. Even two police officers having different interpretations of the law. I've seen this before in protests... not a conspiracy, the cops weren't even in cahoots with each other.

        The less a man knows about how sausages and laws are made, the easier it is to steal his vote and give him botulism.

        by SensibleShoes on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 05:18:43 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Correct! (4.00)
        A female officer stopped first and asked us to move our circle of chairs to the triangle.  Shortly after that a second car stopped and the male officer seemed to agree that is what needed to be done.

        I don't believe the triange is private land!

        I forgot my shout out to the American soldier in UNIFORM who arrived with his mom this morning at 5:30 AM to deliver hot coffee to each of us.

        You two are AWESOME!

        And it was capitvating to listen to the young soldier tell the veterans stories of being at war. (When we were all in our circle of chairs in the middle of the mostly unused street).

        •  That's a great image <nt> (none)

          "Computer. End holographic program...Computer? Computer?"

          by kredwyn on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 06:22:42 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  REGARDING THE TRIANGLE (none)
          How is it situated?  Did you have to go over a fence?  Were there any NO TRESPASSING SIGNS?

          Think carefully, how far off the road it was?

          Counties have pretty LARGE easements which are general right-of-ways in the sticks like that...they need to be able to do road maintanence and so forth.  Call the department of transportation in or whoever the road maintanence folks are and nice (without saying why) ask them what their utilities and road easements are in that area or in general.

          Is it a MARKED "County Rd E", etc?

          My thought is 20-30' on either side, or in some instances they measure from the center of the road.  If it is a general right-away easement, unless you obstructing you, they really need to get a Court order...pretty simple.

          •  I'll try! (none)
            As you travel down Praire Chapel Road towards the compound you come to a fork in the road, and you take it. (just kidding!)

            A road then connects those two prongs about .2 of a mile after the fork.  Thus, the triangle.

            There is private property on each side of each road.

            And it is true, that some obnoxious woman came screaming out of the gate of her property swearing stuff.  And the day before the property owner on the other side of Praire Chapel asked one of the veterans to move Cindy's tent.

            But how can anyone, except the county, own the triangle?

          •  Premises Liability (none)
            What's the duty a property owner in Texas owes to a trespasser of which he or she is aware?  Is there any duty to make the property safe?

            We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. -MLK

            by JLFinch on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 08:22:53 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

        •  Other soldiers are (4.00)
          getting the story, too. Army Times picked up the USA Today piece. Nice.

          Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. -- Donald Rumsfeld

          by Mnemosyne on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 06:34:04 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  Thank you! (none)
      Thanks for helping out my buddy and the cause.  It means so much that people are actively supporting this.  
  •  I'm in my car and on the way (4.00)
    to crawford...with laptop and cell card.  I'll be able to blog from the site, if I get cell coverage.

    I'll be there Thursday.

  •  That does it. (4.00)
    We may just have take up a fund and buy ourselves a nice little ranch on Prairie Chapel Rd in Crawford, TX.  The People's Ranch.

    But in all seriousness....hang in there Cindy.  We are with you - even those of us who cannot physically be there.  We are calling, emailing and donating on behalf of all the GSFP's and all the soldiers still in Iraq.

    We demand to know the truth.  You have every right to know why your son was in Iraq.  And we have every right to hold them accountable.  Thank you for being our voice.  Your courage has been nothing short of inspirational.

    •  Turning the tables (4.00)
      How about a quick (and dirty) claim on that triangle of property based on the recent Supreme Court decision allowing private property to be appropriated without the owner's consent for commercial development?  

      Okay, I know it wouldn't work and would shift the focus from the real issue, but a shark can dream...




  •  RE (none)
    IF Republcan brownshirts were protesting something, you can bet John Roberst and other Republicans lawyers would be donating their time and intellect to the cause.  

    Where are our top guns?!

    ... now watch this drive.

    by jg on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 05:19:42 PM PDT

  •  A topical video to share (4.00)
    Dedicated to Cindy.

    I put this together a few days ago out of sheer frustration with this group of cowards in the administration.  You're free to pass it along to whomever you want or to post it on other websites.  (windows)  (mac)

    - roguewave

  •  Cindy was on AAR (4.00)
    A woman called in and said she is going down from Michigan I believe with her friends; Cindy was so happy to hear that and said bring your camping gear or whatever.
  •  Hell (4.00)
    if I lived near there, I'd be PROUD to let Cindy camp on my property!
    •  There is one neighbor (4.00)
      (small house and place unlike the rest) who offered to let Cindy camp there.  But there is NO shade at all.

      The Christian Right is neither Witness Every Day

      by TXsharon on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 06:25:18 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Sharon (4.00)
        How far is it away from where they are?  That is the answer...STAGE from there, camp at night and hang out in the ditch during the day....get people to bring those popup shades, we use them at horse shows and they work well enough.
        •  She is about (none)
          one city block further away from ChickenHawk Ranch.  

          Her husband, a medic, just got back from Iraq.  Her offer was Saturday afternoon.  Things might have changed now that she knows what she would be getting into.  It's one thing to have Cindy and a few supporters camp there and quite another to have a whole bunch.  Plus, she might take quite a bit of persecution from her other neighbors.  That kind of stuff just gives me more fuel but it usually matters to "normal" folks.

          Hey!  I'm also a horse woman.  :)

          The Christian Right is neither Witness Every Day

          by TXsharon on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 06:44:27 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Horses! (none)
            That's what we need to do, take our horses to Crawford. Not only will we actually be kossaks on horseback, which is amusing enough, rumor has it President Bush is terrified of horses.

            I kid. No way am I hauling water for horses in August in Texas, but it does occur to me that I've never traveled with mine without finding a great place to turn them out and/or camp.

            •  I don't even ride mine in August (none)
              I told some of the veterans Saturday that I wanted to run Bu$h down on my horse, rope him and drag him through cactus then down the blacktop road.  They enjoyed that visual!

              The Christian Right is neither Witness Every Day

              by TXsharon on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 07:02:22 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  Right. I only ride in August heat here in... (none)
                Maine because I'm trying desperately to make up for the weeks I can't ride in January.

                Like your roping fantasy. Was about to share mine from another equine discipline when it occurred to me that Secret Service guys et al are almost certainly monitoring these threads, and decided to keep it to myself for now.

                Pathetic, aren't I?

      •  I would gladly (none)
        pitch in (no pun intended) to buy them one of those canvas gazebo deals from Target.  At least they would have somewhere to escape from the sun.

        Speaking the truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act. - Orwell

        by TracieLynn on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 08:15:48 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

  •  Be Careful (none)
    In those ditches!!

    Rattlesnakes and lots of other things you wouldn't want in your sleeping bag love to hang out in those highway ditches...

    •  Rattlesnakes might go through a ditch (4.00)
      to lay on the road at dusk and soak in a little residual heat, but they're not going to hang out in a ditch usually, and particularly with all the folks around, they won't be anywhere close.

      Providing people zip their tents up, their main problem would be ants or scorpions.  Racoons, possums, and skunks might come by looking for food.

      I actually just relocated a little 3-foot rattlesnake a couple months ago out at our land near Brady (Texas).  I found him too close to the burn barrel under a piece of tin so I hooked a broomhandle under him and carried him about a 100 feet away and set him down.  He seemed to enjoy the ride.

  •  We need celebs...where is Martin Sheen? Where is W (none)
    ....calling all celebs, please.

    Where is Bill and where is Hillary??

    Come on folks.  Our country is at stake, and Cindy is our Rosa.

    •  No we don't (none)
      Someone suggested this yesterday - this is a bad idea for media reasons - it turns the story from "anguished mom asks for answers from President" to "grand-standing Hollywooders seek media limelight."

      Bad idea.

      I am the federal government.

      by mateosf on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 06:53:40 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  This is looking more and more like Civil Rights (4.00)
    This is starting to look like the early phase of the Civil Rights Movement.  Ms Sheehan is a sympathetic articulate person who is clearly not threatening anyone, but instead is making a moral claim to be heard, or rather to be straight-talked to by the President.  It is very embarrassing for the President.  

    Mrs. Sheehan has the moral high ground here.  Everybody knows it, and she knows it, and the President knows it.  All she has to do at this point is sit down, and force them to carry her away.  On what charges?  Disturbing the peace?  Been there, done that.  This is a winning situation, provided there are no agents-provocateurs.  That's why I oppose sending dowen reinforcements.  They are too easy to infiltrate.  Cindy Sheehan and her magnificent fifty are doing fine as it is.

    I think we are in the tipping point on this war.  God bless her!

  •  Hunt down this lawyer!!! (4.00)
    I just saw an interview from a few months ago with Jim Hightower and he described the Bush crackdown on dissent and references "The Crawford Five" who were arrested for protesting at the Texas Chickenhawk ranch.  A lawyer named Jim Harrington got the cases thrown out of court.  The tactics used look familiar to what is occurring in Crawford now.  LINK

    George Bush began this when he first decided to run for President. Karl Rove, of course, his political Svengali, was the creator of it. There was a protest in front of the Governor's mansion in Texas on the public sidewalk, the site of protests over the eons in Texas. And this was the time, 1999, when the national media was coming to look at this guy, because clearly he was getting a lot of money and support to run for President. And so they didn't want these pesky little protesters out front. And in particular, these protestors were challenging his lapdog performance on behalf of the polluters, in particular, Enron, and Kenneth Ley. So they had the police remove the protesters from the sidewalk saying it was a threat to the public for them to be there. And of course it endangered themselves to be on the sidewalk. Therefore, they should go to a parking lot out of sight of Bush and out of sight of the national media. And that was the beginning of this what I call Bush zones that have been created. Of course, America used to be a protest zone. We had a wonderful incident last year in Crawford, Texas. A group of peace protesters, about 100 of them caravanning in cars going to the Bush ranchette just outside of Crawford. And they are driving through Crawford and they are met there by Donnie Tidmore, and Donnie is the Chief of Police, and he's got a barricade there. And they said, "Get out of the cars," - to the leaders, "Get out of the cars," and they walk up and say, "What's this?" He said, "Well you have no permit to protest in Crawford." And they said "No, Donnie, we aren't going to protest in Crawford. We are going through Crawford to the ranch." And Donnie said well just by your very presence of being here, you are a protest. The logic cell in Donnie Tidmore's brain was not functioning that day. So they tried to argue with him. Tried to make a little common sense with him and that was not functioning. So Donnie arrested five of the protestors. They became the "Crawford Five." And they were later convicted by a jury in Crawford for demonstrating. And at the trial, it was even said - Tidmore himself was asked: "If somebody came into town wearing a polit - a peace button, would that constitute a protest under your ordinance? And he said, "It could be a protest. It could be a sign of a demonstration." So this is the level of absurdity. The good news is, a great civil liberties lawyer Jim Harrington took their case and they were thrown out of court by a Waco judge a little bit later.
  •  That's really fucking shitty. (none)
    Wonder how much Georgie Boy is behind this as in  let's find a way to move them along w/o it looking as if we had anything to do with.  Yeah, use the private property excuse - that's always a good one.

    Poor Cindy.  I haven't looked at other diaries, so forgive me if someone posted this link, but it's an article over at Common Dreams today (original source NYT):

    Ricahrd Stevenson doesn't mention in the article that the reason Cindy did this was because of Bush's statement that families can know their loved ones died for a 'nobel cause'...

    Wish I could go to TX and be w/ Cindy in solidarity.  But surely she knows we're all with her in spirit even if we can't be there???

  •  My favorite button (4.00)
    Of all the buttons I saw this weekend:
    it has a picture of Cindy (who really is a very sweet person and a true pacifist) on it and says:


  •  Republicans are afraid of Soldiers' Families (none)
    That's why you all a bunch of terrorists.


    That's snark. Hope that was obvious. :)

    Wilbur from Charlotte's Web turned out okay, and he was just some pig. :)

    by cskendrick on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 06:39:35 PM PDT

  •  A simple question by a simple (4.00)

    Where are all the politicians that claim to believe in America?

    Look around, does anyone see any democrats, any republicans that are currently sucking the life out of Mother America trying to help Cindy?

    This woman is special, she is a Mother.

    On top of all that she has been harmed for life and needs help and attention now more then ever in her life.

    Where are all the politicians that claim to be Americans?


    To those that know of what I speak, "Is there no help for the widow's son?"

  •  they want to keep dangling the arrest (4.00)
    so that the media won't know when it will happen.  They will try to get it to happen when there are no cameras present.

    If the media weren't so cowed by this administration they'd all have someone covering this.  Think of the way they swarmed all over the Schiavo story, kissing up to wingers who wanted 24/7 coverage.

    And think of the opposite--if some wingnut were camped outside Jane Fonda's house demanding an apology for Vietnam, Faux Republican Entertainment Channel would be running a PATRIOT'S VIGIL--HOUR 96 banner under every newscast.

    Hang on, Camp Casey!  Thoreau, Gandhi, King, Berrigan--they are all watching over you!

    Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.

    by TrueBlueMajority on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 06:52:30 PM PDT

  •  new meme (4.00)
    They jail a war-mom and a traitor goes free.
  •  Might be a good idea to... (4.00)
    get a priest/religous mendicant out there to do some impromptu services.  

    Not that I'm all that religous (Praise Zog!) but to show that protesting the senseless destruction of life that's happening under the aegis of Bush and the Legion of Doom (BLD), is following (God's/Xena's/Mithras's/???) will for peace and goodwill.

    And will show the hypocrisy of BLD when they react harshly to the presence of the religous - who aren't sucking up to the BLD teat.

    "Every day, in every way, I think I'm going to vomit."

    by seronimous on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 07:05:33 PM PDT

  •  I'm going to join Cindy (4.00)
    Plan to leave tomorrow morning, not too early, from Austin Texas.

    I'll be taking my tent & my hat & lots of water.  Bug spray.  Walking shoes.  Other suggestions?  My cameras are, unfortunately, in Houston.

    I need someone to volunteer to be my Kos contact.

    Last Sunday I spent a good chunk of time discussing CALMLY with my gorgeous wonderful brilliant 19 yr-old grandson why he should not enlist or sign any contract to enlist in the future.

    Peace --
    Visualize impeachment

    •  Packing suggestion (none)
      Don't forget sunscreen, baby wipes/moist towelettes, gatorade or some other electrolyte drink.  Be aware of warning signs of heat stroke and heat exhaustion - there were a few people who were in the danger zone Saturday.
    •  Yes (none)
      A copy of "Letters from a Birmingham Jail." paper, pen, and stamps.

      Cortaid for fire ant bites, Benedryl, and an eip pen--for dangerous allergic reactions--if you can get one).

      Plywood to put under your tent.

      A boom box and a copy of Judy Collins' "Masters of War"

      Thank you for teaching your grandson. We must all teach our children about peace.

      Thank you for helping to teach our nation about peace.

    •  Thoughts (none)
      reflective tape
      battery-powered am fm radio
      basic first aid kit
      books & magazines, newspapers, iPod
      sun lotion
      battery-powered personal fan (check back-to-school section of Bed, Bath & Beyond)
      MREs/energy bars
      List of phone numbers (media, public safety, hotel, restaurants, lawyer, bondsman!)
      pen & paper
      American flags
      Wet Ones, paper towels
      safety whistle

      We know through painful experience that freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed. -MLK

      by JLFinch on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 07:42:22 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  A "4" for (none)
      going to Crawford, educating your grandson, and especially for your sig line!

      Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. -- Donald Rumsfeld

      by Mnemosyne on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 07:46:59 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  GPS (none)
    How about someone posting the gps coordinates of the protest site.  I find it much easier than directions.
    •  Directions (none)
      I can't give GPS coordinates, but I did pass on these directions earlier:

      From McGregor (highway 84 and 317), drive north to Crawford (6.3 miles), turn left onto West Fifth at intersection and drive .3 miles to Praire Chapel Road, turn right.  Drive 4.9 miles to Camp Casey.

      McGregor can be reached by 84 West from IH-35 or country road 317 (around Temple) if you driving north on IH-35.

    •  Yes - please GPS coordinates (none)
      Then we can use google map and watch from our computers, while we sit on our asses, and snark amongst ourselves.

      Crawford is positioned 31.53 degrees north of the equator and 97.44 degrees west of the prime meridian.

      The Clothes have no Emperor.

      by 21stCenturyHippy on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 08:25:52 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  build a floor across the ditch (none)
    Has anyone considered building a 2x4 and plywood floor across the ditch to make camping there more comfortable?

    Don't complain to me about class warfare -- Republicans started this war -- and us fightin' Democrats say, "Bring it on!"

    by casamurphy on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 07:42:42 PM PDT

  •  The sheriff is a good lapdog! (none)
    We can't have dirty commoners sully the view for Our Virtuous Leader, resting after years of hard work battling the terrarist menace!
  •  I wish Judy Collins would come to sing (none)
    Call ratio stations everywhere and ask them to play it for the Gold Star Families in TExas.

    I dedicate these lyrics to George.

    Masters of War
                  by Bob Dylan

    Come you masters of war
    You that build all the guns
    You that build the death planes
    You that build the big bombs
    You that hide behind walls
    You that hide behind desks
    I just want you to know
    I can see through your masks

    You that never done nothin
    But build to destroy
    You play with my world
    Like its your little toy
    You put a gun in my hand
    And you hide from my eyes
    And you turn and run farther
    When the fast bullets fly

    Like Judas of old
    You lie and deceive
    A world war can be won
    You want me to believe
    But I see through your eyes
    And I see through your brain
    Like I see through the water
    That runs down my drain

    You fasten the triggers
    For the others to fire
    Then you set back and watch
    When the death count gets higher
    You hide in your mansion
    As young peoples blood
    Flows out of their bodies
    And is buried in the mud

    You've thrown the worst fear
    That can ever be hurled
    Fear to bring children
    Into the world
    For threatening my baby
    Unborn and unnamed
    You ain't worth the blood
    That runs in your veins

    How much do I know
    To talk out of turn
    You might say that I'm young
    You might say I'm unlearned
    But there's one thing I know
    Though I'm younger than you
    Even Jesus would never
    Forgive what you do.

    Let me ask you one question
    Is your money that good
    Will it buy you forgiveness
    Do you think that it could
    I think you will find
    When your death takes its toll
    All the money you made
    Will never buy back your soul.

  •  I usually don't post, but.... (4.00)
    I went to the Iconoclast website to subscribe for the $10 deal, but I refuse to use paypal. (thats for another post)

    So I called the number for a credit card that they offer, and use my check card. I'll get the info tomorrow about my subscription. The guy on the phone was very nice, but I recommend folks wait until tomorrow to do what I did....he sounded like he was the only one there.

    I wish I could go,but since I can't, I'll pay for the news coverage. Take care y'all!

  •  Word on the street has it that: (none)
    The Texas Civil Rights Project may  represent Cindy Sheehan in her attempt to see the President.  TCRP also seeks to get  protestors within ½ mile of the Bush ranch, rather than the 5 miles they are now kept at.  Apparently, the press is allowed to come within ½ mile of the ranch.

    "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed." General Buck Turgidson

    by muledriver on Mon Aug 08, 2005 at 09:10:47 PM PDT

  •  News from PDA (none)
    I just received this email from Progressive Democrats of America.

    Peace & joy --
    Visualize impeachment

    To:  Texas PDA'ers!

    From:  Sherry Bohlen, PDA National Field Director

    Date:  August 8, 2005

    I just spoke with Cindy Sheehan and she asked me to thank everyone for your support and encouragement.  She looks forward to seeing many of you join her in Crawford but asked that I tell you that anyone coming on Thursday might be risking arrest.

    The local authorities have informed her that as of Thursday she and anyone standing with her will be considered a national security risk and will be arrested.  We're asking as many people as possible to arrive at the camp outside Bush's ranch on Wednesday evening and plan to spend the night camping with Cindy.  In case the powers-that-be decide to arrest Cindy at 12:01 Thursday morning, we want to have a strong contingent of support for her!

    I'll be there.  I hope you'll join me.

    Following are directions to Crawford from Austin:

    Take IH-35 North towards Waco.  As you enter the Waco area exit Hwy 6 to FM
    185 which will take you directly into Crawford.

    Go straight through the light at FM 317.  Take a right at the Lutheran Church
    (Prairie Chapel Rd).  Travel approx. 3 miles (the road will wind around a
    bunch).  The camp is on the left where Prairie Chapel Rd. intersects Morgan

    Another route to Crawford:

    Take IH-35 North.  In Beltan take the Killeen exit (Hwy 190) in Belton.  
    Turn left as if you are going to Killeen.  As the road curves, go straight
    on FM 317.  You will pass through several small towns and will end up in
    Crawford.  Turn left at the first light.

    Take a right at the Lutheran Church (Prairie Chapel Rd).  Travel approx. 3
    miles (the road will wind around a bunch).  The camp is on the left where
    Prairie Chapel Rd and Morgan Rd. intersect.
    Following are supplies needed:

    Donated supplies can be left at the Crawford Peace House

    Food and Water
    First aid kit
    Wet wipes
    Banner supplies
    Rope (& other things to hang banners and signs)
    nails & hammer
    Bug spray
    Ice chests/ Ice

    Need to borrow:
    Car lighter adapter for electric appliances

    Many Texas PDA'ers have responded to say that they called the White House and will be traveling to Crawford!  Supporters from many other states are making their way to Crawford as we speak!  The anti-war movement is alive and well!

    As a CodePink friend of mine says..... Power to the Peaceful!

    in peace and solidarity
    Sherry Bohlen

    Sherry Bohlen
    National Field Director
    Progressive Democrats of America (PDA)
    480 529 2131

    Please consider supporting PDA by becoming a "sustaining member".

    You can now have your contribution processed automatically each month by going to:

    In honor of my son, Thor, who was deployed to Iraq on June 10, I urge you to view the following film and to then take action...

    Please help me to bring him (and others like him) home alive-and-well.  Together we must end this madness.

    Start today, planning a Local Action at some busy Street Corner in your Area!!

    Go it alone if you have too, others will follow and join in!!

    But make plans for this Weekend, a Few Hours on Saturday or Sunday or Both!!

    Make contact with Local Media about Where and When!!

    Even an Evening Candlelite Vigil Works!!

    If a member of a Local Activists Group Plan with them, if Not Contact One and ask them to join you they know the Needs!!

    Call Family and Friends!!

    Plan Actions for as Long as Cindy or Others are Encamped at Crawford, each weekend, or Daily Rushhour!!

    I'm off to work in a few, so if Someone can Post Up A Diary on this Others can Post In Needed Information for their Area's Action!!

    * Active Activists Will Know The Drill, But This Could Help Cindy As Much As Being There!!

    "History is littered with governments destabilized by masses of veterans who believed that they had been taken for fools by a society that grew rich and fat at the expense of their hardship and suffering."
    Former VA Secretary Principi

    James Starowicz

    VFP 'Declaration Of Impeachment'

    Sign On and Pass Link To Others

    VFP Impeachment Petition

    USN '67-'71 GMG3 Vietnam In-Country'70-'71 COMNAVFORV

  •  phone records (none)
    If phone records are public, I would love to see what phone calls the sherriff's office has received.

    I wonder if they have received any calls from the ranch or the WH?

    The Republican Party: Redefining Oppression for the 21st Century

    by daveriegel on Tue Aug 09, 2005 at 04:33:05 AM PDT

  •  Got To Listen to NPR's... (none) on Cindy this morning on my way into work. Overall a very flattering report for Cindy, rather a surprise after the right-wing turn they've taken these past months.  

    Among other things, the reporter quoted a bush spokesman as saying "President Bush had no intention of meeting with Ms Sheehan.  The President believes we are doing important work in Iraq [.snip.]" The report closed with this line:

    "Cindy says there are only three things that will make her leave.  Talking with President Bush, getting arrested, or waiting until the end of August, camped out in her small tent under the hot Texas sun along the side of Prarie Trail Road."

    Cindy Rocks!

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